Lame excuse...

**Biggin** · February 17th, 2011, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Unchained

Had she wrestled this boy and beat him,it would have been the rare exception rather than the norm. Show me 1 instance where a girl beats a boy in wrestling,and I'll show you 30 where the boy wins easily. It isn't sexist,rather just being realistic and stating the obvious/fact and AGAIN I didn't assume that this boy beats her ala slam dunk. I said chances are he beats her. Qualifying 3rd the year before tells me he is no slouch himself

I have a ton of respect for womenfolk and those who know me personally will vouch for that,but the fact remains that the difference in strength is wide,and in a sport like wrestling,strength is a helluva lot of it. Let me ask you this: If you had to line up a football game with men vs women,how confident would you be that the women would not get blown out?

No, you said chances are he quickly pins her. You were using what some women accomplish to paint them all. This girl had a record of 8-2 at one time during the season in the best state for HS wrestling. She is one of the best girl wrestlers in the country. She was no slouch at all either. Iowa takes wrestling very very seriously, you think they would just let a girl in if she could not compete?

And your scenario at the end is totally different and no comparison. This girl has been wrestling her whole life and has beaten boys before. Its an individual sport.

Im not saying the girl would win, but to assume she gets beat easily is naive since she had earned her way there.

**Unchained** · February 17th, 2011, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

No, you said chances are he quickly pins her. You were using what some women accomplish to paint them all. This girl had a record of 8-2 at one time during the season in the best state for HS wrestling. She is one of the best girl wrestlers in the country. She was no slouch at all either. Iowa takes wrestling very very seriously, you think they would just let a girl in if she could not compete?

And your scenario at the end is totally different and no comparison. This girl has been wrestling her whole life and has beaten boys before. Its an individual sport.

Im not saying the girl would win, but to assume she gets beat easily is naive since she had earned her way there.

Actually the scenario isn't much different at all. Both sports could be used to illustrate my point. To say that there's no comparison is off base as both sports rely heavily on strength which goes back to what I was pointing out as far as physical differences between males and females:2thumbsup:

**Biggin** · February 18th, 2011, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by Unchained

Actually the scenario isn't much different at all. Both sports could be used to illustrate my point. To say that there's no comparison is off base as both sports rely heavily on strength which goes back to what I was pointing out as far as physical differences between males and females:2thumbsup:

Yeah, its a ton different. Girls dont regularly line up at offensive tackle against boys; girls wrestle all the time. The physical differences are also more important in football whereas in wrestling some physical disadvantages can be overcame by technique and smarts. And its not as if 112 lb girls are wrestling 189 pound boys, they are all the same weight. The same cannot be said about football. Its not a very good comparison.

And Stripes, the girl had faced legit boys all year, and Iowa takes its wrestling very very seriously. The talent pool at the lower weights may be smaller but she had competed against boys all year long. I have no idea how the tournament was seeded and such, I just found results from matches throughout the year where she had defeated other boys.

**Rocky** · February 18th, 2011, 09:03 AM

i had no idea a 20-13 record could get someone into a state tourney...............

**Counts** · February 18th, 2011, 09:43 AM

Honistly I am not sure what to think I have 2 Daughters and I do not want to tell them that there is not anything that they can't do however once the kids hit puberty and testostron kicks the deck is stacked against the girls (Great example is that most of the top Womens Basketball teams reguarly practice against intermural mens teams in order to push them) I can understand a boy/man not wanting to physicaly matchup with a girl/woman for many reasons from fear of loseing to a girl all the way to embarasment of the "intamat contact" that happens in wresling matchs.........Working in Grundy I hear a hell of a lot of wresling storys and the ones involving women usualy goes 1 of 3 ways (1) the Boy forfits for whatever reason (2) the Boy holds back leading to a subpar match from both sides (3) the Guy has a point to prove and ends up hurting or tring to hurt the girl......From what I have been told (Never watched a match in person) it is extreamly rare to see a good match between a girl and Boy........

**Unchained** · February 18th, 2011, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Rocky

i had no idea a 20-13 record could get someone into a state tourney...............

In comparison,the boy's record was 35-4

**Unchained** · February 18th, 2011, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Biggin

Yeah, its a ton different. Girls dont regularly line up at offensive tackle against boys; girls wrestle all the time. The physical differences are also more important in football whereas in wrestling some physical disadvantages can be overcame by technique and smarts. And its not as if 112 lb girls are wrestling 189 pound boys, they are all the same weight. The same cannot be said about football. Its not a very good comparison.

And Stripes, the girl had faced legit boys all year, and Iowa takes its wrestling very very seriously. The talent pool at the lower weights may be smaller but she had competed against boys all year long. I have no idea how the tournament was seeded and such, I just found results from matches throughout the year where she had defeated other boys.

The boy had plenty of technique and smarts as well though. In addition to that,he also had experience from the state tourney before,which in wrestling is HUGE. You can't be 35-4 in the nation's toughest wrestling state without that,so that point goes out the window as well. A combo of many factors is why I said what I said,and it has nothing to do with being sexist.

**Monkeyhead** · February 18th, 2011, 06:29 PM

It don't matter now, she lost.

**joedirt** · February 18th, 2011, 07:37 PM

From the point of view of the boy, it might not have been as much that he might hurt her, but he might have been thinking about the contact he would have with her that might not be appropriate. Think about it - most of the contact in wrestling happens from the neck to the crotch - and that is also the only individual sport in high school where boys and girls compete against each other. They don't compete against each other in tennis, track or cross country. Doesn't really make sense.

I commend him and agree with him totally.

**Biggin** · February 18th, 2011, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Unchained

The boy had plenty of technique and smarts as well though. In addition to that,he also had experience from the state tourney before,which in wrestling is HUGE. You can't be 35-4 in the nation's toughest wrestling state without that,so that point goes out the window as well. A combo of many factors is why I said what I said,and it has nothing to do with being sexist.

My point was that the size difference was negated by weight classes and a 112 pound girl isnt gonna be getting ran into full speed by a 200+ pound boy.

I didnt realize the boys record was that good (and be honest, you didnt either at first), but its really not fair to just assume the girl was terrible and the boy would steamroll her especially when the girl has beaten boys during the season.